At what health level do you want more armor instead? - Guild Wars Forums

The Red Messenger · May 10, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

ok this has been bothering me for some time...

it seems like monks run low on energy faster when they heal targets using only +health runes/mods/insignia, and no + armor stuff.

I understand the need for high health to midigate spikes, prevent deaths.

But in the long run, would'nt having high armor also make it easier on monks?

(theory being, once you get the team's health to a certain level...say, 550. you then use armor buffs to take less damage. this makes monks heals needed less often, because health bars are capped more easily.)

There must be some sort of curve where having tons of health is less important than increasing armor to protect that health...kind of like the "energy management is more important than having higher energy cap" theory. Isn't armor a good health management?

Covah · May 10, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Prot more, less need for healing then.

ShadowsRequiem · May 10, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

ok this has been bothering me for some time...

it seems like monks run low on energy faster when they heal targets using only +health runes/mods/insignia, and no + armor stuff.

I understand the need for high health to midigate spikes, prevent deaths.

But in the long run, would'nt having high armor also make it easier on monks?

(theory being, once you get the team's health to a certain level...say, 550. you then use armor buffs to take less damage. this makes monks heals needed less often, because health bars are capped more easily.)

There must be some sort of curve where having tons of health is less important than increasing armor to protect that health...kind of like the "energy management is more important than having higher energy cap" theory. Isn't armor a good health management?

Its a very good arguement, but you have to take in the fact that all the extra armor ignoring damage that people use now. +def only really helps vs elemental dmg and auto attacks.

I used to like to the run the +15 arm while under a condition on my monk. It seemed to help most of the time.

Remember the blades of steel finish? that was almost +60 ignoring dmg x 2

FengShuiDove · May 10, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Remember the blades of steel finish? that is almost +60 ignoring dmg x 2

Fixed. Shadow's argument is right. The more health you have the more likely you (and your teammates) can sustain the armor ignoring damage. More time to react.

bandalen syhali · May 10, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

i have 580-600 life on every char, on shield-set a bit more.

Food · May 10, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Hai The Red Messanger, have you herd about dis contraption called the defensive sets?

MagmaRed · May 10, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

PvE, go with armor when you are at the 480-500 mark.

PvP, go with more health.

Shai Lee · May 10, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

When you have DP, the extra health is more useful than the extra armor/energy. My opinion, anyway.

miskav · May 10, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

PvP = More health (Ofcourse, the mods on a shield will be + armour (Casters atleast))
PvE = 500-600 health (my chars) Rest = +armour for the smaller hits.

Atra Culpa · May 10, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I play warrior mainly these days and I tend to have between 590 and 640 health regardless of PvE or PvP. It really depends on what I'm doing, what my bar is and what i'm likely to be facing.

This means that in PvP it can fluctuate more because of shield/armor piece swapping etc, while in PvE there is less of a concern of instagib spikes so i don't swap armor stuff around so much.

It really strikes me a s a personal preference thing, and finding the perfect balance will be different from person to person and character class to character class.
Generally though high health in PvP is a priority over added AL where Possible.
Prot monks (usually) make up for that.

The Red Messenger · May 11, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

thanks for the tips...ill just keep health high

good point about the DP...it really sucks to be ressed and have like 410 max health. you feel like a walking practice dummy with a target on your back.

I guess i need to learn more about protection monks

MagmaRed · May 11, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Protection Monks are better than Healing Monks. I'm not saying healing isn't needed, but the ability to reduce damage, prevent damage, and remove conditions+hexes is normally a Protection Monks job. This is why the Divine Boon Monks were so popular for so long, and why hybrids are run now. I always run Protection when I Monk unless there is no need for it (another player is doing it) or if I'm solo and running a hybrid.

May 10, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#1
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	At what health level do you want more armor instead? ok this has been bothering me for some time... it seems like monks run low on energy faster when they heal targets using only +health runes/mods/insignia, and no + armor stuff. I understand the need for high health to midigate spikes, prevent deaths. But in the long run, would'nt having high armor also make it easier on monks? (theory being, once you get the team's health to a certain level...say, 550. you then use armor buffs to take less damage. this makes monks heals needed less often, because health bars are capped more easily.) There must be some sort of curve where having tons of health is less important than increasing armor to protect that health...kind of like the "energy management is more important than having higher energy cap" theory. Isn't armor a good health management?

May 10, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19	#2
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	Prot more, less need for healing then.

May 10, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47	#5
bandalen syhali Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006	i have 580-600 life on every char, on shield-set a bit more.

May 10, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#6
Food Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in america Guild: Team Flawless [oRLy] Profession: Mo/E	Hai The Red Messanger, have you herd about dis contraption called the defensive sets?

May 10, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#7
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	PvE, go with armor when you are at the 480-500 mark. PvP, go with more health.

May 10, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54	#8
Shai Lee Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere	When you have DP, the extra health is more useful than the extra armor/energy. My opinion, anyway.

May 10, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#9
miskav Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: Mo/	PvP = More health (Ofcourse, the mods on a shield will be + armour (Casters atleast)) PvE = 500-600 health (my chars) Rest = +armour for the smaller hits.

May 10, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49	#10
Atra Culpa Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Manchester, England Guild: Servants Of Fortuna [SOF] Profession: N/	I play warrior mainly these days and I tend to have between 590 and 640 health regardless of PvE or PvP. It really depends on what I'm doing, what my bar is and what i'm likely to be facing. This means that in PvP it can fluctuate more because of shield/armor piece swapping etc, while in PvE there is less of a concern of instagib spikes so i don't swap armor stuff around so much. It really strikes me a s a personal preference thing, and finding the perfect balance will be different from person to person and character class to character class. Generally though high health in PvP is a priority over added AL where Possible. Prot monks (usually) make up for that.

May 11, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02	#11
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	thanks for the tips...ill just keep health high good point about the DP...it really sucks to be ressed and have like 410 max health. you feel like a walking practice dummy with a target on your back. I guess i need to learn more about protection monks

May 11, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#12
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Protection Monks are better than Healing Monks. I'm not saying healing isn't needed, but the ability to reduce damage, prevent damage, and remove conditions+hexes is normally a Protection Monks job. This is why the Divine Boon Monks were so popular for so long, and why hybrids are run now. I always run Protection when I Monk unless there is no need for it (another player is doing it) or if I'm solo and running a hybrid.